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Pete's avatar

Your thought that Carney's announcement will take place in Strasbourg carries weight. What changed was the thread of hope that the US would negotiate rationally. If trade talks devolved into a submission play by the American's, Carney now has merit identifying the unpredictable and irrational behavior of the US has a significant factor. Announcing this in the company of European leaders is precisely the way to power shift the dynamic from being anti American, to pro European. Watch for other signals to develop that week as well, with the commencement of Canadian trade action, and domestic policy reinforcement.

'See you in September' 🎡

Bo Kauffmann πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ Sanity Project's avatar

That's exactly my train if thought. Lots can still happen in the next 3 weeks, as reportedly the US is backing off tyke language thing. But is the overall situation remains, I think that Gripen announcement will come sooner than later.

Diane's avatar

Also, I don't trust Greer anymore than his bosses.

Kay's avatar

Greer is a lying simp.

Diane's avatar

I am not sure when my only hope it is the Gripen...

Pete's avatar

Domestic capability is something Canada gleefully gave up, starting with the Avro Arrow in 1959. Pax Americana worked wonderfully for boardrooms and CEO's for decades, and Canada simped along because it was agreeable and facilitated our domestic apathy. The 'NEU' America has displayed itself with typical lack of tact or respect. It is in that light that it seems exceedingly logical to build Gripens here, and while dated, they are tough and proven, and can land and take off without an intervention, and a giant support system. And here's the wringer. Canada with established manufacturing and trained pilots to explore and test the Gripen, will be extremely well positioned to capitalize on next gen GCAP fighters. The environment is ripe for domestic autonomy. Let's get this one right. Go Canada. πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

JBO's avatar

I bet my lunch money he waits.

Bo Kauffmann πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦ Sanity Project's avatar

Ok...I respect that. Big gambler lol

JBO's avatar
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It’s only because I think Canadaβ€˜s playbook is to watch Trump shove some more bad polling data up his own ass over the coming weeks.

The more time goes on, the more leverage we have. The US already just caved on the language thing. Not that it should ever have been a topic. But still.

Maryanne Wezenbeek's avatar

I believe you are absolutely correct to think that it will be sooner and that the announcement will be done in Europe. AI is good but has no gut feeling...

It was clear that Carney deliberately held off until after the CUSMA negotiations. In my opinion Europe and Canada are a far better aligned partnership but then I am hopelessly biased.

I expect that -as neighbours- Canada will always trade (albeit a lot less) with the US but this does not mean that right now I want to see Carney stick it to them.

SouthRockOcean's avatar

I'll put a Toonie for the Win on your Bet that Carney announces the Gripen deal, or at minimum confirms Canadian production, in Strasbourg in September. It's Time.

Donna Sinclair's avatar

I like Strasbourg announcement. Very much. Your argument makes sense. The Gripen purchase itself has always made sense. However, a caveat: I am so furious about American sleaze and mendacity (I just belatedly watched Jamieson Greer being interviewed by Rosemary Barton) that I myself am having trouble making sense. Choking mad. Thanks for retaining the capacity to think.

Shaun Sheridan's avatar

Mark Carney is remaking Canada from the bottom up as the USA relationship is as it was no longer exists and will not return.. A limited number of F35 jets will enable Norad to continue as the USA needs Canada's participation. The Saab program fits neatly into Canada's homegrown industrial airspace development so I agree there's no strategic value in waiting.

The second issue is that Saab uses American engines so watch Trump do everything he can to sabotage that.

In the long run the purchase will go ahead but in the short term it will be very bumpy

Keith Williams's avatar

I think he will announce it where ever they are going to be built.